European Union

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What do you want for the European Union?

I want it to collapse.
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I think it should stay as a political and economic alliance with sovereign states
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In my opinion, it should become a federation sometime in the future
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European Union

Postby ShadowStarX » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:32 pm

So well, considering I haven't noticed any thread such like this, I've decided to make one.

Discuss anything related to the European Union, let it be new laws, your opinions.

And well, to start off with, I'm going to have a question right from the-geto

Should the European Union be dismantled, stay as an economic alliance or become a federation such as the USA?
My own opinion: well even though the European Union has been given some harsh critizism lately (I can see why though, its peak was probably in 2016 when the migration crisis became a relevant issue and when the Brexit was decided), I personally think that we should smoothly try to transition towards a federal Europe due to the upcoming challenges we'll have to face and we also have to keep ourselves on par with the United States, Russia and China, considering those three having a much higher influence than Germany, France, Italy or the United Kingdom doesn't really help us in self-sustaining and so on.

However, I'm not saying that we should become a federation as soon as possible because that will NOT end up well. (by quickly I mean the span of 4 or 5 years or so) At first I think we should expand the array of member states with making countries such as Serbia join. The transition must stay smooth and it should also be ekpt democratic since we don't want to have something like the Soviet Union was.

And there is also a poll about whether you want the EU to collapse, you want it to stay as an alliance or you want it to become federal.
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Re: European Union

Postby Taycamgame » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:37 pm

Too bad brexit had to happen (i don't 100% understand it though i know some details). Especially to my own country :(
I also think it should become a federation - this would allow it to be controlled by one major government while still allowing each state to have it's own laws etc. (maybe if it was a federation, brexit wouldn't have happened?)
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Re: European Union

Postby Cedur » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:41 pm

dismantling the EU would be the first step into another doom because humanity is not smart enough to learn ... if you go the step towards exclusion and nationalism, the step to war and destruction is not very large
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Re: European Union

Postby ShadowStarX » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:49 pm

Taycamgame wrote:
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Too bad brexit had to happen (i don't 100% understand it though i know some details). Especially to my own country :(
I also think it should become a federation - this would allow it to be controlled by one major government while still allowing each state to have it's own laws etc. (maybe if it was a federation, brexit wouldn't have happened?)
Having Europe as a federation wouldn't necessarily prevent Brexit from happening, since, to my knowledge at least, so I might be mistaken, any US state could vote to leave the USA if they really wanted to but don't take that for granted.
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Re: European Union

Postby Eri7 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:28 pm

So do you mean a federation like the USA? This will take a lot of work to do and i am sure some countries will refuse that. It will be interesting for Europe to be a federation but who will be in charge of the government? I won't trust politicians from East Europe being in charge of the government and i am also not sure if Angela Merkel would not do something stupid like creating a second refugge crisis.

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Re: European Union

Postby Electriking » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:46 pm

Eri7 wrote:
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I won't trust politicians from East Europe being in charge of the government and i am also not sure if Angela Merkel would not do something stupid like creating a second refugge crisis.
The migrant crisis back in 2015 was not caused by Europe or European politicians. It was caused mainly by civil wars in the middle east and the high numbers of people who were living there trying to flee from said wars and trying to find a better place to live. It is really more of an issue of how the situation was handled, which could have been done better imo. Countries can't control whether or not people want to move in, but they can control how they handle the situation, which most countries seem to be shit at right now.
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Re: European Union

Postby ShadowStarX » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:49 pm

Eri7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:28 pm
So do you mean a federation like the USA? This will take a lot of work to do and i am sure some countries will refuse that. It will be interesting for Europe to be a federation but who will be in charge of the government? I won't trust politicians from East Europe being in charge of the government and i am also not sure if Angela Merkel would not do something stupid like creating a second refugge crisis.
A federal Europe (well, "USE") is not something that will (nor should) happen in the near future considering we've got more important issues. (such as the rise of nationalism) Also most Eastern European countries have a rather low population compared to Germany or France. Poland and Romania are kinda but Eastern European countries don't really aim for being a leading force in the EU, that's usually done by Belgium, France, Germany and the Netherlands)

The biggest obstacle of a federal Europe is most likely the language barrier, since it'd be quite a shame if everybody was forced to speak German, French or English in the entire union, so we'd probably have to settle down that the states would speak a different language)

But yeah a federal Europe similar to the USA is what I meant, excluding the universal official language.
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Re: European Union

Postby Aero » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:13 pm

I don't believe any supranational entity should have an army, currency, nor executive enforcement of laws ratified by unelected persons or committees. Basically a United States of Europe would not be the same as The United States of America, because it'd be a worse and arguably less democratic organization of power.

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Re: European Union

Postby Unidentified » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:41 pm

I personally don't know if you can make it a federation given the current circunstances. However, the EU is certainly a good thing. If you ask me, it should continue existing, but I don't think making it a federation would work out(At least as of now). As for the future, chances are that it will go through hard times. That is, if it manages to survive this wave of neo-nationalism that is going on in the world.

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Re: European Union

Postby Quantumenace » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:56 pm

How many of you have even heard of Article 13 of the EU Copyright Directive? In essence it's an attempt to force Youtube's ridiculous content ID system on every content platform on the entire internet.

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Re: European Union

Postby Unidentified » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:02 pm

Quantumenace wrote:
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How many of you have even heard of Article 13 of the EU Copyright Directive? In essence it's an attempt to force Youtube's ridiculous content ID system on every content platform on the entire internet.
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Re: European Union

Postby Mosaic » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:33 pm

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Re: European Union

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Re: European Union

Postby ShadowStarX » Mon May 27, 2019 10:03 am

The EP elections are over, and it seems that EPP and S&D lost seats but the ALDE group gained some, thus they'll be able to maintain their majority.
A few shifts might happen among parties, such as Hungary's Fidesz moving to one of the right-wing groups.
Ultranationalists and eurosceptic populists are stronger but are far from becoming a majority and the EPP (center-right) is not looking forward to a coalition with them.

There was also a huge Green wave, especially in Germany, where they overtook the Social Democrats.

The governing parties are most likely staying the same or if not, the only change will probably be the addition of the Greens/EFA/Pirates group, as GUE-NGL disagrees a lot with ALDE and EPP and right-wing parties are out of the question in a coalition.
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Re: European Union

Postby Cedur » Mon May 27, 2019 10:13 am

Green was voted most by young people and intellectuals. They were the strongest by a LANDSLIDE among first-time voters (such as myself :P)

AfD was voted most by old men, low-educated, and Easterners.
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Re: European Union

Postby Electriking » Mon May 27, 2019 10:36 am

The Brexit party won in the UK, and Lib Dems came second.
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