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Who would be a good president?

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Re: General Political Thread.

Postby RudeGuy » Wed May 15, 2019 12:02 pm

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Seems like a lot of people here are on the left/libertarian quadrant. I wonder why?
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Re: General Political Thread.

Postby Rhosty » Wed May 15, 2019 2:06 pm

RudeGuy wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:02 pm
Seems like a lot of people here are on the left/libertarian quadrant. I wonder why?
Probably has something to do with age imo

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Re: General Political Thread.

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Re: General Political Thread.

Postby Teemster2 » Sun May 19, 2019 4:37 pm

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Seems like a lot of people here are on the left/libertarian quadrant. I wonder why?
The liberal left control is most of the media and slants the news to constantly make the right look bad so I'm not surprised.

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So how do you make the rich people richer? By taxing everyone else into poverty, of course.

Seriously, why are the Republicans in power? At this point supporting this party is supporting corruption.
Wow. That video is incorrect. The Democratic party is so corrupt. It's funny that you only attack the right for it.

If you care about the electoral college then you can't support the left. They want to remove it so they win every election we will ever have. Talking about corrupt people Obama will be investigated soon for the criminal crap he pulled to try and get Hillary elected and the Russian thing was all Obama's fault to since he knew about it in 2014.

Left people always make the right out to be corrupt racist evil peoe while supporting the most corrupt, racist and evil party in America while being spooned bs everyday from the left media.

The blue collar worker force helped Trump win because the democrats abandoned them for illegals. I support the Republican party and I will never except the left or the socialism they want to bring that has ruined vuenuzela.
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Re: General Political Thread.

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Re: General Political Thread.

Postby Aero » Sun May 19, 2019 5:16 pm

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Re: General Political Thread.

Postby Electriking » Sun May 19, 2019 6:46 pm

Teemster2 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 4:58 pm
The liberal left control is most of the media and slants the news to constantly make the right look bad so I'm not surprised.
Most of the media is actually controlled by the liberal right (like CNN and CNBC (While Fox News would be more authoritarian right)), as well as much of the democrat party. If they were on the left, then why would they be trying to minimise news coverage and rig primaries against left-wing candidates like Bernie Sanders, and instead in favour of centrist and moderate right candidates like Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke.

Meanwhile the republicans have been causing serious damage not only to their own country but to the rest of the world as well. They have increased America's already over-sized military budget, and Donald Trump killed more middle-eastern civilians in his first year than Obama did throughout his entire 8 years as president. And let's not forget about the withdrawal from the paris agreement, as well as the deregulation of industries that removes restrictions on air and water pollution, which will accelerate climate change and get in the way of the efforts of other countries that actually want to mitigate it. I could mention many other ways Trump is a bad president, but I would be here for days, and I have not got the time for that.
Teemster2 wrote: Wow. That video is incorrect. The Democratic party is so corrupt. It's funny that you only attack the right for it.
Perhaps don't dig up posts from over 1 year ago? It isn't a good look, even if I still stand by my politcal views.
Teemster2 wrote: If you care about the electoral college then you can't support the left. They want to remove it so they win every election we will ever have. Talking about corrupt people Obama will be investigated soon for the criminal crap he pulled to try and get Hillary elected and the Russian thing was all Obama's fault to since he knew about it in 2014.
If they win every election because the majority want them to (as the winner would be determined solely the majority/polarity of the voters without the electoral college), then at least they would win legitimately, and if the left screw up and causes people to switch to the right, then as long as they admit that the right also won legitimately, then there shouldn't be a problem in this case.

As for Obama, he turned out to be a moderate-right wing president, so the left doesn't really support, and is also the reason why the left won't support people like Beto O'Rourke that are trying to pull the same hope and change crap Obama pulled when he was running for president. Hillary Clinton is also another far right ppolitician that the left generally view as almost as bad as (or, for some, even worse than) Trump. So no surprise if they were indeed found to be corrupt.
Teemster2 wrote: Left people always make the right out to be corrupt racist evil peoe while supporting the most corrupt, racist and evil party in America while being spooned bs everyday from the left media.

The blue collar worker force helped Trump win because the democrats abandoned them for illegals. I support the Republican party and I will never except the left or the socialism they want to bring that has ruined vuenuzela.
If you are trying to base your views of the parties based on how they have been in the past, then I am here to tell that the history of the parties don't mean much compared to how they are today, which is more important in how it affects the political landscape in the near future. The 2 parties essentially Switched places since the republicans ended segregation in America.

Also, the left isn't advocating for the 'socialism' that has gotten venezuela into the situation they are in right now, and being left does not consist of only socialism and communism, ideologies which, especially the latter one, we would want to be avoiding.

Left-wing politics has led to many countries in Europe (especially nordic countries) to be in a gnerally better situation than America, and often score better in categories like HDI and safety, so while there are cases where left-wing politicians have caused a lot of bad, there are cases where they have done a lot of good. This could be an argument that ultimately, the political compass/spectrum are not that great since they suggest there are only 2/4 ideologies, when there is in fact more.
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Re: General Political Thread.

Postby Teemster2 » Sun May 19, 2019 11:54 pm

Electriking wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:46 pm
Teemster2 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 4:58 pm
The liberal left control is most of the media and slants the news to constantly make the right look bad so I'm not surprised.
Most of the media is actually controlled by the liberal right (like CNN and CNBC (While Fox News would be more authoritarian right)), as well as much of the democrat party. If they were on the left, then why would they be trying to minimise news coverage and rig primaries against left-wing candidates like Bernie Sanders, and instead in favour of centrist and moderate right candidates like Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke.

Meanwhile the republicans have been causing serious damage not only to their own country but to the rest of the world as well. They have increased America's already over-sized military budget, and Donald Trump killed more middle-eastern civilians in his first year than Obama did throughout his entire 8 years as president. And let's not forget about the withdrawal from the paris agreement, as well as the deregulation of industries that removes restrictions on air and water pollution, which will accelerate climate change and get in the way of the efforts of other countries that actually want to mitigate it. I could mention many other ways Trump is a bad president, but I would be here for days, and I have not got the time for that.
Teemster2 wrote: Wow. That video is incorrect. The Democratic party is so corrupt. It's funny that you only attack the right for it.
Perhaps don't dig up posts from over 1 year ago? It isn't a good look, even if I still stand by my politcal views.
Teemster2 wrote: If you care about the electoral college then you can't support the left. They want to remove it so they win every election we will ever have. Talking about corrupt people Obama will be investigated soon for the criminal crap he pulled to try and get Hillary elected and the Russian thing was all Obama's fault to since he knew about it in 2014.
If they win every election because the majority want them to (as the winner would be determined solely the majority/polarity of the voters without the electoral college), then at least they would win legitimately, and if the left screw up and causes people to switch to the right, then as long as they admit that the right also won legitimately, then there shouldn't be a problem in this case.

As for Obama, he turned out to be a moderate-right wing president, so the left doesn't really support, and is also the reason why the left won't support people like Beto O'Rourke that are trying to pull the same hope and change crap Obama pulled when he was running for president. Hillary Clinton is also another far right ppolitician that the left generally view as almost as bad as (or, for some, even worse than) Trump. So no surprise if they were indeed found to be corrupt.
Teemster2 wrote: Left people always make the right out to be corrupt racist evil peoe while supporting the most corrupt, racist and evil party in America while being spooned bs everyday from the left media.

The blue collar worker force helped Trump win because the democrats abandoned them for illegals. I support the Republican party and I will never except the left or the socialism they want to bring that has ruined vuenuzela.
If you are trying to base your views of the parties based on how they have been in the past, then I am here to tell that the history of the parties don't mean much compared to how they are today, which is more important in how it affects the political landscape in the near future. The 2 parties essentially Switched places since the republicans ended segregation in America.

Also, the left isn't advocating for the 'socialism' that has gotten venezuela into the situation they are in right now, and being left does not consist of only socialism and communism, ideologies which, especially the latter one, we would want to be avoiding.

Left-wing politics has led to many countries in Europe (especially nordic countries) to be in a gnerally better situation than America, and often score better in categories like HDI and safety, so while there are cases where left-wing politicians have caused a lot of bad, there are cases where they have done a lot of good. This could be an argument that ultimately, the political compass/spectrum are not that great since they suggest there are only 2/4 ideologies, when there is in fact more.
How is it we switched places? The majority of the Republican party has and still is majority conservative Christian. There is racist people on both sides but the Republican party does not support racism. Even Trump is not racist according to his ex black girlfriend and many African Americans.

The media is very liberal and attacks against Trump were 94% from cnn and very high with everyone else including fox news at 54%. Bernie is an idiot. Biden is your only chance of beating Trump. Beto is less popular then Pete buttieg and kamala Harris. Biden was the VP to obama and not constantly say stupid stuff like Bernie does.

Many see the end of the paris agreement a good thing. Trump ended tensions with north Korea, fixed nafta and is trying to fix child separation on the borders started by democrats. He is not perfect but he is way better than Hillary. Record low unemployment for all is not screwing up the country.

The democrats only want the votes. They never will care about Americans. Some like Bernie are pushing for socialism, voting for illegals, criminals and 16 year olds, a new green deal costing trillions and removing the electoral college. Los Angeles does not speak for America.

The left is violent and crazy and I will never support them.

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I would like to add Trump saved the last tank production plant in the country that was about to go out of bussiness. Let's not forget navy ships breaking down at sea. Our military needed more money. It's the democrats who need less money.
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Re: [Poll] General Political Thread.

Postby Aero » Mon May 20, 2019 12:31 am

what's your ideal military budget and who should be able to vote

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Re: [Poll] General Political Thread.

Postby Cedur » Mon May 20, 2019 7:59 am

Teemster2 wrote:Trump ended tensions with north Korea, fixed nafta and is trying to fix child separation on the borders started by democrats. He is not perfect but he is way better than Hillary.

Are you a right conservative? Is Hillary also in pathetic and egoistic denial of climate change? Would she also have made hell for the officers in the white house? Would she also be in need of slandering the media? Is she also an excessive liar and narcisstic maniac? Doesn't Trump now cause ridiculous and unnecessary tension with Iran?

Granted, Hillary would have caused trouble in the world as well, but do not put Trump in a positive spot that he is literally not at all.
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Re: General Political Thread.

Postby RudeGuy » Mon May 20, 2019 3:03 pm

Teemster2 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 4:58 pm
The liberal left control is most of the media and slants the news to constantly make the right look bad so I'm not surprised.
That's quite a statement you've got there. Do you have any actual proof for this? (also, perhaps it's worth mentioning that I'm italian and do not know or care about american news outlets beyond what I've seen on the Internet)
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Postby Cedur » Tue May 21, 2019 10:44 am

here's a translation / interpretation of a song that hopefully gives you a clear impression of what right populism and worse means:
(and also to some extent also what Trump is doing since he's also an excessive liar and bigot)

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I don't know you, I've never seen you
I only see your words in front of me
You wrote them with the aim of deliberate manipulation,
for sensation mongering and medial untruth

Do you really view the world as you write
namely that evil gathers together in your eyes and nothing else
just because your worldview is different and you can't understand
you have no right to start a witchhunt

all of your lies and shallowness
were deliberately chosen for well-aimed attention
because you're aloof from everything in existence
Why do you write to make others ignore the truth?

Remind yourself of the past
and your inducement to write, which you know very well
You gave honor to your skill and your word had much value
to actually improve the world and not destroy it

Remind yourself

There already was a time full of injustice
in which an ideology surrects itself and stands above everything
deliberately ignoring truth to make a pyrestake burn
and to bring down everyone who stands up against it


Are you really not aware of what you're doing
when you despise people and curse them verbally
when you just put up claims and put others in the stock
when you just pursuit your ideal-world ideology

Have you learnt nothing from what already happened
when humans are disdained and denounced
when you screen and categorize people
only because they are different; you know exactly what happens

At some point others will follow your turmoil
out of dissatisfaction; they ignore their guilt in doing that
when you propagate something even though it's wrong
you exactly know that this starts a witchhunt

Remind yourself of the past
and your inducement to write, which you know very well
You gave honor to your skill and your word had much value
to actually improve the world and not destroy it

Remind yourself
You don't know me
You've never seen me before
Maybe you now read my words in response
Just think for a moment
before you write, about what you're doing
As a human being
be clearly aware of your responsibility
and remind yourself

There already was a time ...
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Re: General Political Thread.

Postby Teemster2 » Tue May 21, 2019 12:25 pm

RudeGuy wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:03 pm
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Sun May 19, 2019 4:58 pm
The liberal left control is most of the media and slants the news to constantly make the right look bad so I'm not surprised.
That's quite a statement you've got there. Do you have any actual proof for this? (also, perhaps it's worth mentioning that I'm italian and do not know or care about american news outlets beyond what I've seen on the Internet)
A very easy Google search would show you that many do feel the media is very biased towards the left and study's show this too. Every media outlet just about made Hillary out to be the winner while constantly trashing Trump. Even time magazine released a magazine before the election was over with Hillary on the cover being declared president. It's easy to see how biased it is. The local news papers here make Republicans and everything we do to be bad.

Try watching prageru, Candace Owens, David Harris Jr, or Caitlin Bennett with liberty hangout if you want real news. Prageru is more informational then news but my point is everything is slanted. I watch videos of college kids being asked questions and it's as if none of them do their research or understand anything. They act like they just watch cnn and don't really know what's going on in this country.

Obama knew about Russia back in 2014 and Hillary took millions from Russia but that's trumps fault somehow? He colluded because he won? More like the left is sore losers. Kids being separated was started by Bill and Obama had kids in cages yet nobody cared then and now it's trumps fault? News attacked Trump for a golf simulator claiming he spent 50 grand installing it in the White House but it turned out Obama did that and the media stayed silent so Trump would look like the bad guy.

The media hates Republicans and the double standard the left sets is pathetic. Even Brett kavanaugh is innocent but the media won't say a word even after the accusers are debunked or admit they never even knew him. Everything is trumps faults and Republicans are all racist according to the left even though I'm not and never will be racist. I have a college degree and so do my parents yet they act like all Republicans are stupid.

This is a fact. One of the biggest Democratic Super Pac contributes who donates millions to the one running for president said they won't be doing any campaigning in Iowa, Texas and Ohio. Every single president but 1 who has won has taken Ohio. Hard to win without that state. Trump took it by winning over the blue collar worker force by promising jobs and we have record low unemployment. The new green deal the democrats are pushing for looks to remove jobs so they will have a tough time winning over voters in Ohio but it will be harder since they are not even going to try. So the people in Ohio mean nothing to them? They think they can win with illegals and Mexicans and a trumps a bad guy speech. Failed for Hillary. Good luck in 2020 without Ohio.

Also research pueblo county, Colorado. Democratic stronghold for 45 years with a nearly 16 thousand registered voter advantage for democrats and Trump took almost all of them overwhelmingly winning the very populated county in Colorado. Why? They wanted jobs and Hillary offered nothing while Trump offered jobs. It's easy to see why Trump won and why many democrats are leaving the party.

#walkaway 200k plus members and most of them former democrats started by a former gay liberal man.

#blexit started by a former African American woman which now has a lot of support with Africans leaving the Democratic party in larger numbers now.

10 million who voted for Obama never voted for Hillary. Democrats at lowest point since 1929.

You do not get that low and have so many people leaving if your party is not full of lies and bs. You say the Republican party is corrupt and some people in it is corrupt but the party itself still is a good party and many people our seeing that and not buying the lines people like you keep putting out.

It's time to wake up. Hillary Clinton was linked by the FBI to the murder of Vincent foster and they then turn around and say the evidence disappeard just like her email scandal. It is the democrats who are the main corrupt evil people.

Do your research everyone. I do. I never voted for Mitt Romney. Never trusted him and I will never support him and he ran against Obama. As much as I don't like Obama I could not support Mitt. So I'm not just voting red every single time. Trump is not perfect and yes he cheated on his wife with a prostitute and I do not like that at all but my wife says it best.

As a person Trump is not that great but as a president Trump is doing a good job. I will be voting for him again and my #walkaway t-shirt should be coming soon.

Not a racist.
Not a sexist.
Not a bigot.
Not a Democrat.
#walkaway

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Postby Aero » Tue May 21, 2019 1:34 pm

*sip* Yep, Make America Great Again. You should get a #QAnon shirt too.

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Re: [Poll] General Political Thread.

Postby Electriking » Tue May 21, 2019 4:08 pm

Trump too dangerous for the entire world to be allowed to continue to be president, with all those war-mongers living in his ear. He has withdrawn from the nuclear deal in Iran, and is probably interested in invading them. He is also helping Saudi Arabia with their genocide on Yemen, and has not broke ties with them despite an American journalist being killed at a Saudi Arabian embassy.

If I was American, I would probably feel guilty about living in a country, and many progressive Americans probably do. How can you claim the military budget needs increasing when it is bigger than the military budgets of the next 12 countries combined?

Most progressive people in America no longer consider themselves democrats anymore because of the more centrist to moderate right position most of the party have taken, especially after Hillary Clinton became the democrat's nominee, and also agree that mainstream media is garbage, and feel that CNN and CNBC are more biased towards the democrats position, while Fox News is more pro-republican (Donald Trump watches Fox News, so go figure). There was a graph from earlier in this thread made by an independent shows where different media organisations generally lie:
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While Donald Trump has done a few good things like reducing tensions with North Korea (although that can also be attributed to the fact that both Trump and Kim Jon Un are facists), he is a really bad president over all, and I would rather not give him 4 more years to stir up even more trouble.
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Re: [Poll] General Political Thread.

Postby Rhosty » Tue May 21, 2019 4:12 pm

Electriking wrote:
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While Donald Trump has done a few good things like reducing tensions with North Korea (although that can also be attributed to the fact that both Trump and Kim Jon Un are facists), he is a really bad president over all, and I would rather not give him 4 more years to stir up even more trouble.
This, I agree with all of this fully. Like seriously, how did people not suspect that Donald Trump would be a piece of shit president?


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