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What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:14 pm
by Ananymoos
I just came back to SMBX and i got version 2.0. I wanted to make a level but when the editor loaded up, holy jesus i was confused. I have to relearn everything now since i have no freaking clue how to use this editor.
Now one of the main reasons i started playing SMBX was the easy to use editor. It even says on the main page "Easy to use, real-time level editor with thousands of objects to choose from" but now all you have is this cluster fuck level editor that new people would not even know how to use! The older editor was straight forward and easy to use. The 1.4.4 editor takes things a little overboard as well. I tried to make a level but i was clueless on shit that so simple on the older editor! The 1.4.2 editor is sorta like 1.3 editor but with some more added features and stuff. Oh yeah also the 2.0 editor was very cramped and disorganized and i just could not make a level in that editor no matter what i did. The damn editor is no longer easy to use and new players will be clueless trying to use these new editors and i think it should be a hands on easy to use editor instead of the cluster fuck that is the 2.0 editor and the and the feature fuck 1.4.4 editor.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:24 pm
by MrPunchia
This is why tutorials exist, not everything needs to be user-friendly

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:46 am
by The0x539
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try this

there are growing pains, and it's not without flaws, but it is objectively a superior editor

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:45 am
by Snessy the duck
You can still use the Legacy Editor in 2.0 (It's located in the data folder)

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:54 am
by Zipper
or just learn the new one cause it's g o o d i e

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:00 am
by RudeGuy
you say the old editor was better but i don't remember an undo button there

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:02 am
by Snessy the duck
RudeGuy07 wrote:you say the old editor was better but i don't remember an undo button there
I also don't remember you could select multiple things at once, nor copy pasting either.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:21 am
by Radiance
Legacy editor has better layer and events window

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:38 am
by AirSeus
It may look weird at first, but believe me, when you start getting used to it, it is amazing, it holds custom graphics a fuck lot better than the legacy editor, which I praise it highly for. At the start, I used to think the same as you, I didn't understand it at all, I hated the new 2.0 PGE Editor, but now I have gotten used to it, it's amazing.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:00 am
by The0x539
Snessy the duck wrote:You can still use the Legacy Editor in 2.0 (It's located in the data folder)
please don't do this
Mr Briney wrote:Legacy editor has better layer and events window
why do people say this

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:06 am
by Radiance
The0x539 wrote:
Mr Briney wrote:Legacy editor has better layer and events window
why do people say this
Because it's really better. But I won't use 1.3.0.1 just because of the layer and events window, though.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:08 am
by The0x539
Mr Briney wrote:
The0x539 wrote:
Mr Briney wrote:Legacy editor has better layer and events window
why do people say this
Because it's really better.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:10 am
by Radiance
Oh, I forgot the strike

EDIT: Fixed

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:03 pm
by Ananymoos
Im learning to use the editor but it will still be a cramped cluster fuck for new users that have never played SMBX before.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:15 pm
by Kixubug
We all the 2.0 legacy edior has better events and layers.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:17 pm
by Hoeloe
I can only think there must be something wrong with your eyes if this:
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Looks more "cramped" than this:
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On the subject of "better events and layers", I would take issue there.

The layers panel is visually almost the same, but PGE provides proper layer reordering and better deletion without randomly shuffling all your layer attachments.
As for events, both layouts have their merits, but again PGE provides neater functionality. I believe the event window in PGE will be getting a redesign anyway, though, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:29 pm
by Cedur
Ananymoos wrote:Im learning to use the editor but it will still be a cramped cluster fuck for new users that have never played SMBX before.
You can actually be expected to have played the game and be familiar with its mechanics before making levels of your own.

PGE really is incredibly more user-friendly than the legacy editor (and it also comes with some tutorials). Or would you actually prefer an editor where
> you don't have an undo function
> you can't search for objects you already placed and where you also can't search for the other end of a warp
> you can't open levels from the world map / hub (especially when looking for things in other levels / episodes)
> you can't select or delete multiple items at once (unless you assign them to a layer which is also time-consuming af)
> you always end up selecting an item and accidentally moving it around whenever you want to change its properties
> you always have to click "level settings" and scroll down every time you wanna switch sections
> you can't move around the level with your mouse
> tiles and items are barely sorted
> the font is crap
etc etc

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:58 pm
by Ananymoos
Cedur wrote:
Ananymoos wrote:Im learning to use the editor but it will still be a cramped cluster fuck for new users that have never played SMBX before.
You can actually be expected to have played the game and be familiar with its mechanics before making levels of your own.

PGE really is incredibly more user-friendly than the legacy editor (and it also comes with some tutorials). Or would you actually prefer an editor where
> you don't have an undo function
> you can't search for objects you already placed and where you also can't search for the other end of a warp
> you can't open levels from the world map / hub (especially when looking for things in other levels / episodes)
> you can't select or delete multiple items at once (unless you assign them to a layer which is also time-consuming af)
> you always end up selecting an item and accidentally moving it around whenever you want to change its properties
> you always have to click "level settings" and scroll down every time you wanna switch sections
> you can't move around the level with your mouse
> tiles and items are barely sorted
> the font is crap
etc etc
You do have a point.

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:01 pm
by Cedur
I also forgot to mention that you can't copy-paste on the legacy editor either. :>

Re: What the heck happend to the level editor?

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:09 pm
by superfido2
I'd probably most likely have a harder time with legacy than PGE if I was presented both at the same time.