All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

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All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Sapphire Bullet Bill » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:16 pm

Seriously though. I've played countless episodes, and they're starting to lose its taste. Either it's too hard, unfair, or just plain boring.
Maybe it's that I have nobody to play with. I've been so lonely all these years. Some company would be nice.

Anyway, are there any unique episodes out there?
I feel like I'm gonna have to make one myself.

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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Enjl » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:33 pm

Teenagers don't often tend to immediately be excellent game designers.
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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby TheTakeAwayGuy » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:48 pm

Sapphire Bullet Bill wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:16 pm
Seriously though. I've played countless episodes, and they're starting to lose its taste. Either it's too hard, unfair, or just plain boring.
Maybe it's that I have nobody to play with. I've been so lonely all these years. Some company would be nice.

Anyway, are there any unique episodes out there?
I feel like I'm gonna have to make one myself.
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:33 pm
Teenagers don't often tend to immediately be excellent game designers.

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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Eri7 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:50 pm

Look, i have seen plenty of projects in development that are promising, it just takes time you know? I am pretty sure that now the community is adapting to make better levels and episodes. Look at me, i am developing my project since 2 years and i am eager to release it but i still have a long way to go because i have been adapting as well. Just have patience or you could try to make a quality episode, i think its a good motivation to bring something fun to play in order to start an episode. I also feel your pain that a lot of smbx episodes are generic but that's probably because the people who made them either didn't have that much experience in game development/level design or didn't care that much about it. People like Enjl and Waddle are making an effort to bring new standards to the community so i think there is a bright future for smbx episodes since we are all trying to adapt.

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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Sapphire Bullet Bill » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:20 pm

Enjl wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:33 pm
Teenagers don't often tend to immediately be excellent game designers.
Good thing I'm an adult.

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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Enjl » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:33 pm

Sapphire Bullet Bill wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:20 pm
Enjl wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:33 pm
Teenagers don't often tend to immediately be excellent game designers.
Good thing I'm an adult.
My point is that a lot of the episodes you've been playing were made by teenagers with less than 2 years of game development experience, who've likely never thought about applying any techniques used by professionals. Teenagers are just the majority of people in this community. Adults can also fit into that categorty. You don't get amazing products with that.
Patience and time are not how you make a good game, contrary to what Eri might want you to believe. What it takes is creativity, tons of ideas, good planning and project management, a sense of self-control, focus, dedication, experience in level design, psychology, worldbuilding and with other games of the genre, as well as a passion for the medium.

You cannot expect everyone who uses a mario editor to have fun building stuff to aim for this.
What people like Waddle and I are doing is also NOT what Eri said. Just like everyone else, we're doing our own thing with our levels, just like everyone else. I may be occasionally making information easier to access, but people with enough dedication to perform a handful of google searches will have no problems finding the same quotes I like to cite and have learned from.

This place is not just for people to learn, but also for them to share their creations with the world regardless of how broken and nonsensical they might be. If you don't find something appealing you can choose to not download and play it, or to download it anyway and give the person who made it perhaps a few nods in directions in which the game would've been better than it currently is.
If you're solely looking for good platformer games though, you're better off looking through some of the more well-known indie and Nintendo platformers.
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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Uzendayo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:27 am

if you're tired of waiting for a good episode then make one yourself
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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Radiance » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:49 am

Sapphire Bullet Bill wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:20 pm
Enjl wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:33 pm
Teenagers don't often tend to immediately be excellent game designers.
Good thing I'm an adult.
That statement doesn't necessarily mean that adults often tend to immediately be excellent game designers.

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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Sapphire Bullet Bill » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:01 pm

Radiance wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:49 am
Sapphire Bullet Bill wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:20 pm
Enjl wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:33 pm
Teenagers don't often tend to immediately be excellent game designers.
Good thing I'm an adult.
That statement doesn't necessarily mean that adults often tend to immediately be excellent game designers.
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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Cedur » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:00 pm

before I go on, have you played any of Your Journey Awaits, Mario & the Mushroom Genie, Yoshi's Archipelago, Reign of the Gatekeepers? all episodes from 2017 or 2018 that are great if not excellent ...
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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Jerrysmbxworld » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:37 pm

I believe it's more of lack of experience in level designing. Also, I understand Your preference in what You like. I'm somewhat of an picky person when it comes to SMBX Episodes. Also, many of Them are inexperience in events & scripts.
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Re: All These Episodes Are So Generic and Boring

Postby Devan2002 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:56 pm

If the concept of an episode shows a major difference from another (e.g. an episode that does not revolve around the Mario universe), then it can definitely be interesting.
It's kinda sad to see that there aren't many episodes based on Link being the main protagonist. Hopefully I can see more in the future, because LoZ was one of my favorite franchises. ;)
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