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Postby GhostHawk » Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:21 pm

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Re: France

Postby TLtimelord » Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:26 pm

Pretty horrible stuff. I think it's above 100 deaths now?

My entire family assumed almost no hostages would survive. Once the terrorists wod be attacked, they'd fire on the captives and I believe that's what happened at the concert hall.
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Re: France

Postby GhostHawk » Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:46 pm

~120 - ~140 deaths reported so far, hostages held. People were being shot one by one.

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Re: France

Postby Pseudo » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:38 am

Well, this is rather terrifying. Apparently there are 153 deaths reported now (according to the Wikipedia article, though 8 are said to be among the perpetrators of the attack). That's horrible.

You really don't see this kind of thing every day. It's just awful when you do, though.
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Re: France

Postby GhostHawk » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:17 am

Pseudo-dino wrote:Well, this is rather terrifying. Apparently there are 153 deaths reported now (according to the Wikipedia article, though 8 are said to be among the perpetrators of the attack). That's horrible.

You really don't see this kind of thing every day. It's just awful when you do, though.


The death toll doesn't usually get this high, but it happens too often. This is the second time France was attacked on a large scale this year, and this will not be the last time if cultures are going to clash in Europe and the middle east. It should be noted that this is just a loud version of the problem with a lot of pain all at once rather than it is usually in the grind of day-to-day life.

François Hollande's words ought to be echoed across Europe: "We will lead the fight and it will be merciless."
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Re: France

Postby Nien » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:18 am

What's even the point of terrorism? The attackers usually lose more than they win and it just creates more and more negative stereotypes about their culture. It's a meaningless act that has no fucking purpose other than sadism.

I actually got scared to death because khon was offline for a long while after the attacks happened, thank god he's fine.

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Re: France

Postby Pseudo » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:22 am

the point of terrorism, i'd guess, is the extreme control and single-minded trust/blind faith that it gives the leaders of such groups over the members....

it's a cult like any other, but they actually kill people and shit

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Re: France

Postby GhostHawk » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:33 am

Well their motives aren't known yet, but the point usually is to lash out in a devastating way rather than recruit followers. There's probably no simple answer but if you're mad at the world, you only want to do the most damage you can rather than something constructive. The angrier you get it builds up into gunfire on TV, furthermore if you have illiberal ideas causing you to get so mad and upset with the world then it should be expected for violence to ensue until you think over your views and get mental help.
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Re: France

Postby Mable » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:22 am

I fully agree with everyone here, it's horrible that people do this and most of the time it's unknown why.

There also was something in Beirut which also killed alot of people. The attackers happened to be Suicidekillers and the IS was the cultprit of it.

I think we can all agree that 2015 has been a very horrible year for a lot of us.

With everyday that starts i always have the feel that i might not get home again, and i think a lot of us have that feel.
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Re: France

Postby Erik » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:11 am

This is absolutely terrible, I can't see why they'd do this. No doubt that they came in France with all the refugees.
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Re: France

Postby Spinda » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:17 pm

Ludwig von Koopa wrote:No doubt that they came in France with all the refugees.


Honestly, I don't think refugees are to blame for that. Sure, there are extremists among those, but there've been terrorist attacks before there've been that many refugees, and I'm certain most of those people came or would've come into France in some other way.

Needless to say, this was a truly terrible event, but I really don't think refugees are to blame, seeing as a lot of them are fleeing from ISIS themselves.

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Re: France

Postby Shadow Yoshi » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:24 pm

I think what Ludwig was trying to say (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the terrorists were able to get in easily since there was an inflow of refugees to France.

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Re: France

Postby ShadowStarX » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:36 pm

Why do people do this?
But seriously, it's not going to solve anything, it's bad to everyone.
1) Hundreds or thousands of European people die because of this
2) The terrorists kill themselves
3) European people will have negative opinions about the refugees coming into Europe's rich and average countries.
I hope the terrorism can be stopped, or at least weakened.
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Re: France

Postby Mable » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:53 pm

The terrorists kill themself bc that is how their cult works.
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Re: France

Postby Erik » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:32 pm

Joey wrote:I think what Ludwig was trying to say (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the terrorists were able to get in easily since there was an inflow of refugees to France.

That is exactly what I ment, yes.

Also how stupid is a culture if it wants you to kill people for no reason?
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Re: France

Postby Waddle Derp » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:04 pm

IS has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of incoming refugees, seriously.
Also yeah, 128 deaths so far. About 200 wounded iirc.

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Re: France

Postby GhostHawk » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:24 pm

ISIS has taken responsibility, and has vowed in the past to smuggle in terrorists with the mass irresponsible intake of refugees. That said, there's not evidence that these were refugees and it is only confirmed that they were attacking because of the French's airstrikes in Syria. On top of that, the leading story for yesterday was supposed to be that Jihadi John was executed in a drone strike but I don't know if something on this scale could have been executed quickly enough to be in response to that.
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Re: France

Postby Waddle Derp » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:29 pm

I doubt this was a reaction to Jihadi John's death. This was clearly planned.

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Re: France

Postby Spinda » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:46 pm

Ludwig von Koopa wrote:
Joey wrote:I think what Ludwig was trying to say (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the terrorists were able to get in easily since there was an inflow of refugees to France.

That is exactly what I ment, yes.


Honestly, seeing as this was planned by ISIS, I'm certain that they would've worked out a way to get the terrorists to France even if there wasn't this increase in refugees.

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Re: France

Postby Mable » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:00 pm

Oh dude gotta love it when people outright go to the point and callout the turkey for this on the internet. Bc we're totally to blame what ISIS is doing.
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